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newt gingrich was claiming that for four consecutive years as speaker he balanced the budget. well, he'd only been speaker for two of the years that his budget was balanced. he backed of that claim. debates have the ability to push back on claims that are deceptive and increase the level of accuracy. >> almost you persuade me. but as you know, there's so much talk about how we're in a time of post-truth politics. one of mitt romney's own campaign pollsters said that they're not going to let their campaign be dictated by fact checkers and although he didn't include, call you by name. he includes you, miss jamieson, and your colleagues at factcheck.org. >> and the romney campaign, when it posts the big deceptions of the obama campaign, cites the fact checkers in many of those. and importantly, we know something about fact checking actually mattering. so first we know that campaigns have adjusted their claims. the obama campaign was saying that romney had outsourced. >>> i am barack obama and i approve this message. >> running for governor, mitt romney campaigned as a job creator
newt gingrich was claiming that for four consecutive years as speaker he balanced the budget. well, he'd only been speaker for two of the years that his budget was balanced. he backed of that claim. debates have the ability to push back on claims that are deceptive and increase the level of accuracy. >> almost you persuade me. but as you know, there's so much talk about how we're in a time of post-truth politics. one of mitt romney's own campaign pollsters said that they're not going to...
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particularly as they hear such things as newt gingrich's primary season talk of the food stamp president. >> we think unconditional efforts by the best food stamp president in american history to maximize dependence is terrible for the future of this country. >> to me it means black, hispanic and poor and that we're lazy. so, when i heard them saying that about president obama, i take that very seriously because they're just all negative. he is not the food stamp king. he is helpingle regardl people need h national urban league issued a study saying that if black voting patterns revert to 2004 levels, the president will lose north carolina. and the obama campaign taking that threat seriously is paying particular attention to historically black colleges like north carolina's central university. michelle obama spoke there last month. >> and if barack wins north carolina, we'll be well on our way to putting barack back in the white house for four more years. >> brown: on saturday the campaign set up a tent amid the pregame drilling at the viking football classic between elizabeth city state
particularly as they hear such things as newt gingrich's primary season talk of the food stamp president. >> we think unconditional efforts by the best food stamp president in american history to maximize dependence is terrible for the future of this country. >> to me it means black, hispanic and poor and that we're lazy. so, when i heard them saying that about president obama, i take that very seriously because they're just all negative. he is not the food stamp king. he is...
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last week, for example, here was newt gingrich going all out with it. if you want to make a racial reference bingo card from the '70s, the terms are basketball, performer, the word rhythm, and you'll want a special box for references to the president as sleepy or lazy. >> i'm assuming that some rhythm to barack obama that the rest of us don't understand. whether he needs large amounts of rest, whether he needs to go play basketball for awhile. i don't watch espn. i don't know what his rhythms are, but this is a guy who is a brilliant performer who may well get reelected at the present date. and who frankly happens to be a partial part-time president. he really is like e the substitute referees in the sense that he's not a real president. he doesn't do things presidents do. he doesn't worry about things presidents do. but he has the white house. he has enormous power. he'll go down in history as president. and i suspect he's contemptuous of the the rest of us. >> that's newt gingrich saying he's not a real president. and also he's lazy and has rhythm. ne
last week, for example, here was newt gingrich going all out with it. if you want to make a racial reference bingo card from the '70s, the terms are basketball, performer, the word rhythm, and you'll want a special box for references to the president as sleepy or lazy. >> i'm assuming that some rhythm to barack obama that the rest of us don't understand. whether he needs large amounts of rest, whether he needs to go play basketball for awhile. i don't watch espn. i don't know what his...
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enemies right at the moment of election where you have this hard core opposition as clinton did with newt gingrich. and then people say maybe he'll unleash in the second term. i think people are concerned with obama as well, who is the real obama. >> eliot: yeah. but we do know that mitt romney is being sunk but his apparently feelty to the far right. and david stockman said this guy is a joker. >> that's right. they look at romney and say this is too far. the right has gone to an extreme that we never would have envisioned or endorsed and the country cannot sustain. this deep of cut to the social net and economic engine will spell chaos. >> eliot: part of the reason for this is there is this huge chasm when the imagery of ronald reagan and the reality of how he governed. the article is titled "who is driving mitt," eric bates, executive editor of "rollingstone" magazine, thank you for time you tonight. >> thank then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] ...allstate safe driving bonus check? what is that? so weird, right? my agent, tom, said... [ voice of dennis ] ...only allstate sends you a bo
enemies right at the moment of election where you have this hard core opposition as clinton did with newt gingrich. and then people say maybe he'll unleash in the second term. i think people are concerned with obama as well, who is the real obama. >> eliot: yeah. but we do know that mitt romney is being sunk but his apparently feelty to the far right. and david stockman said this guy is a joker. >> that's right. they look at romney and say this is too far. the right has gone to an...
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, facing mortal distinction and by being aggressive and strong and tough he was able to back gingrich down. i think they're more likely to go that direction than to go stately and formal. chris: i was thinking that have movey, "presumed innocent" where harrison ford's character is told, you have to point at that guy and say, he did it. can romney be that strong? do you think that could be coming? >> he has to take a part -- apart some of the things his campaign has been trying to say. that might appeal to those voters who have not been thrilled with the president but have not been converted to romney voters yet. you're going to hear a lot of i think a distilled theme of the country can't afford another four years of the last four years. they know that this is the biggest audience he will have had. the republican convention was important but this is much bigger. and will voters get a chance to see him without some of the care contour? the aggression -- caricature? the aggression, he's got to really sort of have a carefree sense of go for it. and not be too controlled and not hold back
, facing mortal distinction and by being aggressive and strong and tough he was able to back gingrich down. i think they're more likely to go that direction than to go stately and formal. chris: i was thinking that have movey, "presumed innocent" where harrison ford's character is told, you have to point at that guy and say, he did it. can romney be that strong? do you think that could be coming? >> he has to take a part -- apart some of the things his campaign has been trying...
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and they picked up newt gingrich surrogate in his food stamps attack. no and now fox news and the pro-mitt romney drudge report just are going full bore on the jeremiah wright stuff, as o of right now. in 2008 the john mccain had a choice about whether or not they should campaign on really overtly racial appeals. things like the jeremiah wright attack. they chose not to in 2008. if the romney campaign is going to keep going there along with the the conservative media, can it work this year? would it have worked in 2008? what are the lessons from john mccain having not gone there in 2008 when he had the chance? the senior strategist from 2008 joins us next. >>> you're about to see it for the first time. >>> you're about to see it for the first time. it contains some of the most devisive class warfare rhetoric ever used by barack obama. that's what journalists have been trying to hide for years. it's a glimpse into the mind of the real barack obama and it's one that all americans need to pay close attention to. >> that was fox news tonight. "huffington po
and they picked up newt gingrich surrogate in his food stamps attack. no and now fox news and the pro-mitt romney drudge report just are going full bore on the jeremiah wright stuff, as o of right now. in 2008 the john mccain had a choice about whether or not they should campaign on really overtly racial appeals. things like the jeremiah wright attack. they chose not to in 2008. if the romney campaign is going to keep going there along with the the conservative media, can it work this year?...
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debater and i did three debates this time where he really undermined rick perry or rick santorum or newt gingrich. he knew how to do it and it was underlined last well. >> the voters better hope they are not going to the polls today and -- or doing the early voting. >> still two mow presidential debates -- more presidential debates and vice presidential debates. there is a flip side of saying the president will get re-elected. four and a half weeks to go. a lot can change and a lot presumably will change and no means over and it's going to the wire in florida and ohio and virginia. >> we like to invite you to tune in "the situation room" at 4:00 p.m. eastern only here on cnn. when you take a closer look... ...at the best schools in the world... ...you see they all have something very interesting in common. they have teachers... ...with a deeper knowledge of their subjects. as a result, their students achieve at a higher level. let's develop more stars in education. let's invest in our teachers... ...so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. is efficiently absorbed in small continuous am
debater and i did three debates this time where he really undermined rick perry or rick santorum or newt gingrich. he knew how to do it and it was underlined last well. >> the voters better hope they are not going to the polls today and -- or doing the early voting. >> still two mow presidential debates -- more presidential debates and vice presidential debates. there is a flip side of saying the president will get re-elected. four and a half weeks to go. a lot can change and a lot...
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joining us, calista gingrich, "land of the pilgrims' pride." you miss the campaign trail and the fun and the debates? you would be waiting for wednesday night? >> that's right. but i have moved on to ellis, the elephant. >> sean: you know what is amazing. doit man-on-the-street interviews. on the 4th of july, every year. i ask people, who's the 4th of july? independence day. independence from who? most people cannot answer that question. >> it is a tragedy that many of our students are not learning american history. and the recent study shows that a majority of fourth graders don't know what jamestown was. a majority of fourth graders can't tell us where the pilgrims came from. fewer than a third of eighth graders can't say why the colonies fought england. so we really need to take responsibility and teach our children what it means to be american. >> sean: you know, by the way, it's a fun thing, the elephant's cute. but it's obviously a good way -- we have all of these other characters out there, have you elmo and sesame street. but you don't
joining us, calista gingrich, "land of the pilgrims' pride." you miss the campaign trail and the fun and the debates? you would be waiting for wednesday night? >> that's right. but i have moved on to ellis, the elephant. >> sean: you know what is amazing. doit man-on-the-street interviews. on the 4th of july, every year. i ask people, who's the 4th of july? independence day. independence from who? most people cannot answer that question. >> it is a tragedy that many...
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. >>> and newt gingrich just got do in the mud. >> he's not a real president. he doesn't do things that presents do. he doesn't worry about anything that the presidents do. he's a false president. he's a guy that doesn't do the prent's job. >> not a real president? i s ththa one. >>> plus, mitt romney's crowd is pretty fir up for paul ryan, that is. >> that's my guy,. paul ryan, sbt thisn't that som? wait a second. romney/ryan. romney/ryan. there you go. that's great. >> the cracks are starting to show in the gop bromance. puanouthat by 2012ese folks everybody would look like this. whatever happened to the so-called tea party revolution? this is "politicsnation" on msnbc. >> ladies and gentleme it's time for a new segment. this isal mey it's kind of a joke. watch this. >> my dad used to tell us that one year they ate nothing but potatoes. that was when they lived in idaho. even later in life, my dad e.uldn't look a poto ihe and that's kind of a joke. [ angry ] i just discovered untopped triscuit taste great. oh, it's so good! if this image robbed you of the gre
. >>> and newt gingrich just got do in the mud. >> he's not a real president. he doesn't do things that presents do. he doesn't worry about anything that the presidents do. he's a false president. he's a guy that doesn't do the prent's job. >> not a real president? i s ththa one. >>> plus, mitt romney's crowd is pretty fir up for paul ryan, that is. >> that's my guy,. paul ryan, sbt thisn't that som? wait a second. romney/ryan. romney/ryan. there you go....
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newt gingrich says be on offense without being offensive. dash of humor is worth its weight in gold. go large, and explain his tax plan, and on and on and on. what's he going to do? what should he do tonight? what advice should he take? >> well, you know, mitt romney is suffering from advice. conservatives are clearly, clearly concerned about the poll numbers which have shown him behind. the race may be tightening a bit but the race is still behind in key swing state. what advice? good question. i'll be looking to see which advice he decides to follow but i think the average voter want some specifics from mitt romney. partisans, conservatives who have already made up their minds may want him to attack the president. you know, go after him, be aggressive. but i think undecided voters out there who are giving romney a second look want specifics about how he is is going to improve the economy to them, for them, and about taxes. give us a plan for balancing the budget that makes sense. you know, romney plans to cut taxes for the rich, enlarge th
newt gingrich says be on offense without being offensive. dash of humor is worth its weight in gold. go large, and explain his tax plan, and on and on and on. what's he going to do? what should he do tonight? what advice should he take? >> well, you know, mitt romney is suffering from advice. conservatives are clearly, clearly concerned about the poll numbers which have shown him behind. the race may be tightening a bit but the race is still behind in key swing state. what advice? good...
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who had two great debate performances in south carolina that allowed gingrich to win and in the two debates in florida was aggressive, strong, it tough, commanding on stage, and basically backing gingrich into a corner. gingrich is a different opponent than barack obama is, but as you just said alex in this context, romney is going to be -- i think the zinger thing is overdone. i think he's going to be aggressive. i think he's going to be prosecutorial and i think the question for the president is whether both these guys, they're their own worst enemies. they both can -- romney can get wrangled and discombob beau lated and obama can be too pro lix, pro fe sore yal, i could go on. >> how very pro lix of you. >> and he could be he could seem smug and can seem dismissive and so in that open forum there, you're going to see interesting dynamics and it's why there's a lot of why as you put it pro fa lattic efforts that go with diddle earlier. >> and pro lix. >> plenty of sparks in this debate. >> but i also think too, let's not forget that the people that he has to win, for example, wome
who had two great debate performances in south carolina that allowed gingrich to win and in the two debates in florida was aggressive, strong, it tough, commanding on stage, and basically backing gingrich into a corner. gingrich is a different opponent than barack obama is, but as you just said alex in this context, romney is going to be -- i think the zinger thing is overdone. i think he's going to be aggressive. i think he's going to be prosecutorial and i think the question for the president...
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patrick, you say newt gingrich's famous pious baloney line was one of his strongest hits against mitt romney during the primary debates. i want to play that for our viewers who don't remember. take a look. >> can we drop a little bit of the pious baloney? the fact is you ran in '94 and lost. that's why you -- this idea that suddenly citizenship showed up in your mind, just level with the american people. you've been running for at least since the 1990s. >> i'm curious how much of those kind of zingers are prethought out and what does mitt romney have to do to avoid taking a big hit tomorrow night? >> well, that was all newt and part of the great thing about newt is that he knew the topic, you knew the weak points, but he was prepared to answer the question and then if you can come up with pious baloney, then that just puts a cherry on top. interestingly enough, if you googled baloney two hours after that debate you would get oscar mayer and newt gingrich. romney has the same opportunity, especially when it comes to obama's populoous message, i'm one of the common guys and you're out o
patrick, you say newt gingrich's famous pious baloney line was one of his strongest hits against mitt romney during the primary debates. i want to play that for our viewers who don't remember. take a look. >> can we drop a little bit of the pious baloney? the fact is you ran in '94 and lost. that's why you -- this idea that suddenly citizenship showed up in your mind, just level with the american people. you've been running for at least since the 1990s. >> i'm curious how much of...
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>> that's -- what speaker gingrich said is true but it's not the whole truth. that is, we had one year when virtually nothing got done. i was a real stickler for passing all my budgets on time, and -- but in 2005 we didn't, and i had to veto what they did, and they had to do what they did because that's what they promised the voters they'd do in the '94 elections, and then the citizens decided they agreed with me more than them, they didn't want the government shut down, they just wanted to keep bringing the deficit down. so after the two government shutdowns in late '95 and early '96, then we began this compromise process everybody talks about. there has been no such action forcing event so far. that's what the election is. mark my words, if president obama wins this election, and i think he will, i really do believe he'll win, there will be a lame duck session of congress, they will avoid the fiscal cliff, they will either pass a multi-year budget then or agree to conditions to keep the government going while they work on the budget in the next couple of mont
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newt gingrich. what if obama is so outside our comprehension that only if you understand kenyon antiolonial behavior can you begin to piece together his actions. d -- >> wou liktoe hish s h ife,au ifca the pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics. >> and -- >> i wish this president would love how to be an american. >> and -- >> no e's ever aedo see birtceificat >> and this tweet, obama sympathizes with attackers in egypt. and then last night -- >> he's not a real president. >> tonight on "hardball" we show you the true ugly campaign being run against the president. even in the face of this ugly attack, there are two big new poll numbers running in his direction. we give them to you tonight. let's check the hardball scoreboard. according to a "new york times"/cbs/quinnipiac poll, obama leads romney by ten points. down in florida, the president's lead in the poll is nine, 53-44. the president looks to be opening up a big lead now, even in the face of this coordinated tack from the right
newt gingrich. what if obama is so outside our comprehension that only if you understand kenyon antiolonial behavior can you begin to piece together his actions. d -- >> wou liktoe hish s h ife,au ifca the pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics. >> and -- >> i wish this president would love how to be an american. >> and -- >> no e's ever aedo see birtceificat >> and this tweet, obama sympathizes with attackers in egypt. and then last night --...
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what are you going to do with gingrich or santorum. some of these people would be behind by 30 points at this stage of the game. ann romney, we're going to do a littleime avel now. e g hou wh ann romney is going to say an hour and a half from now on "the tonight show." it's a little magic we can do here. >> and whawas it that made you so angry? >> i will tell you jay, that four years ago it's a hard thing tothesaleihe wife and having to listen to this stuff all the time. four years ago i made a videotape. and on the videotape i looked in the camera and i said, mitt, this is for you, sweetheart. i'm never doing this again. >> oh, really? >> y >>here's the perfe political wife. she knows how to lie with the best of them. if there was ever a candidate who was absolutely going to run for president again after lose tg in the republican priries last time, it was mitt romney. this guy was running from the d watoteheopped out st time. had to draft us into doing this again. >> they had to really twist our arm. it strains -- it's absolutely o.'s
what are you going to do with gingrich or santorum. some of these people would be behind by 30 points at this stage of the game. ann romney, we're going to do a littleime avel now. e g hou wh ann romney is going to say an hour and a half from now on "the tonight show." it's a little magic we can do here. >> and whawas it that made you so angry? >> i will tell you jay, that four years ago it's a hard thing tothesaleihe wife and having to listen to this stuff all the time....
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if they lose -- >> they want newt gingrich in the primaries? is that what they want, the base or whoever you talk about, they want newt gingrich snapping at the media and kind of performing before the stage, given the theatrics you referenced? >> it's a split personality thing. mitt romney as i've been writing for months is a flawed candidate who won in a weak field. look who came in second. rick santorum. newt gingrich came in third, ron paul came in fourth. as i wrote that, that's not a field. that's a therapy group. of that group, you know, mitt romney was the most, is the most electable of that group. the process worked. i don't think the republican party can really blame anybody or even themselves for nominating the wrong guy. the trouble is the guy who is the best of the field lacks the common touch that wealthy, privileged people need. franklin roosevelt, privileged, wealthy, had the common touch. john f. kennedy had the common touch. ted kennedy and bobby kennedy did. nelson rockefeller did in new york. mitt romney does not convey that.
if they lose -- >> they want newt gingrich in the primaries? is that what they want, the base or whoever you talk about, they want newt gingrich snapping at the media and kind of performing before the stage, given the theatrics you referenced? >> it's a split personality thing. mitt romney as i've been writing for months is a flawed candidate who won in a weak field. look who came in second. rick santorum. newt gingrich came in third, ron paul came in fourth. as i wrote that, that's...
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go back to that newt gingrich debate in florida where he dispatched newt gingrich. he can be very good. i think he can have real highs, but also can have lows and say the darnedest things sometimes. >> i want to bring in georgia congressman tom price. good to see you, good morning. >> good to be with you. >> one of the things we are being told from inside the romney camp is he is getting ready for the 47% video. he knows the question is going to come up. this is what his advisor says. "we wouldn't be surprised, obviously, if that came up in the debate, and the governor's prepared, obviously, to respond about it. the fact is as governor romney has said repeatedly, he is running to help 100% of americans." he has said that. he said that repeatedly. it still resonating in a negative way with voters. what do you think he has to say about the 47% which has dogged his campaign since that video came out? >> remember, that was recorded during a fund-raising activity. it was a cut. this is an opportunity for governor romney to have his message come through unfiltered to the
go back to that newt gingrich debate in florida where he dispatched newt gingrich. he can be very good. i think he can have real highs, but also can have lows and say the darnedest things sometimes. >> i want to bring in georgia congressman tom price. good to see you, good morning. >> good to be with you. >> one of the things we are being told from inside the romney camp is he is getting ready for the 47% video. he knows the question is going to come up. this is what his...
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newt gingrich. what if obama is so outsidour reioaty ou understand kenyon anti-colonial behavior can you begin to piece together his aions. and -- >> i would like to have him show his birth certificate, because if he can't, then he has pulled e of the great conin the a- ory of politics. >> i wish this president would love how to be an american. >> and -- >> no one's ever asked to see my birth certificate. >> and this tweet, obama sympathizes with attackers in t. and then last night -- >> he's not a real president. >> tonight on "hardball" we show you the true ugly campaign being run against the president. even in the face of this ugly attack, there are two big new poll numbersunning in his direion. t'ece bagh scoa according to a "new york times"/cbs/quinnipiac poll, obama leads romney by ten points. down in florida, the president's lead in the poll is nine, 53-44. enupigd now, even s to be in the face of this coordinated attack from the right. with me now are mother jones bureau chief and msnbc poli
newt gingrich. what if obama is so outsidour reioaty ou understand kenyon anti-colonial behavior can you begin to piece together his aions. and -- >> i would like to have him show his birth certificate, because if he can't, then he has pulled e of the great conin the a- ory of politics. >> i wish this president would love how to be an american. >> and -- >> no one's ever asked to see my birth certificate. >> and this tweet, obama sympathizes with attackers in t....
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what are you going to do with gingrich or santorum. some of these people would b behind by 30 points at this eye' going to do a little time travel now. we're going to show you what ann romney is going to say an hour and a half from now on "the tonight show." it's a little magic we can do here. >> and what was it that made you so any? ill y jay, that four years ago it's a hard thing to do this, especially being the wife and having to listen to this stuff all the time. four years ago i made a videotape. and on the veotape i looked in the camera and i id, mitt, m r doing this again. >> oh, really? >> yes. >> there's the perfect political wife. she knows how to lie with the best of them. if there was ever a candidate who was absolutely going to run for president again after lose in the repubcan prima la , it was mitt romney. this guy was running from the minute he dropped out last time. and she wants to pretend they had to draft us into doi this agn. >> they had to reallywi o arm. it strains -- it's absolutely not credible at all. and that
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newt gingrich said president obama ist a real prident, he said that last nigh hays he's a false president. when will this right wing effort stop to stop the legitimacy of this president? we'll talk about the relentless campaign. >>> also, the lead president obama enjoys in the polls may be helping democrats on other job races like senate. nde e fortunates are ne senat on the rise, wisconsin's tammy baldwin. mitt romney isn't succeeding as a solo act so the romney campaign is putting mitt romney anpaul ryan on the campaign trail toeshgs a karaoke duet, i guess. what does it tell you the big aw othe puanke nuwo guy? let me finish tonight with how the democratic party has a huge opportunity to grow after this election. this is "hardball," the place for politics. by working people. the economy needs manufacturing. machines, tools, people making stuff. companies have to invest in making things. we need it now more than er. chevron's putting more than $8 billion dollars back in the u.s. economy this year. in pipes, cement, steel, jobs, energy. we need to get the wheels turning. i'm proud of tha
newt gingrich said president obama ist a real prident, he said that last nigh hays he's a false president. when will this right wing effort stop to stop the legitimacy of this president? we'll talk about the relentless campaign. >>> also, the lead president obama enjoys in the polls may be helping democrats on other job races like senate. nde e fortunates are ne senat on the rise, wisconsin's tammy baldwin. mitt romney isn't succeeding as a solo act so the romney campaign is putting...
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mitt romney, purely because he spent most of the year debating against very good debaters like newt gingrich and rick santorum and others. they were very capable opponents on a debate stage. barack obama hasn't done this for four years. so i would think the advantage would definitely be with the apparent underdog, a, because people don't think he's going to win and i think he may well win that first debate and secondly, because he's the more experienced debater. >> well, i think i would caution you a little bit. i think the president, when he has given kind of press interviews, that is a form of being pressed on things so maybe you're not debating another opponent one-on-one, but you are going through the process of answering questions and tough questions and people are not letting you squirm out of things. i think you do have to pull that down a little bit. i do believe that mitt romney has not demonstrated that he's agile. he's not kind of light on his feet. so the idea that if you had a tough spot in a debate, whether the moderator pushed or obama pushed and could romney not talking from
mitt romney, purely because he spent most of the year debating against very good debaters like newt gingrich and rick santorum and others. they were very capable opponents on a debate stage. barack obama hasn't done this for four years. so i would think the advantage would definitely be with the apparent underdog, a, because people don't think he's going to win and i think he may well win that first debate and secondly, because he's the more experienced debater. >> well, i think i would...
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it was newt gingrich and rick santorum. he needed to turn it on in the republican primaries, and he did. >> steve, what do you think the ultimate impact is going to be? is this the game change moment to use the term that we hate? >> i swear we're living in this mirror image of 2004 where the bush role is played by obama and where kerry is played by romney. i remember september 30th, 2004, watching that debate and watching the reaction after that debate between kerry and bush and the reaction of democrats. i thought of taking some of the quotes from some republican and conservative pundits talking about how this changes the race, just switch in kerry's name for romney, switch in obama for bush. exact same sort of mental adjustment. the silver lining for that for democrats is bush went on, and he didn't i think win the next two debates but recovered and was serviceable in the next two debates. >> do we really think that anybody who was a lean obama voter changed their mind and said, now i'm going to vote for mitt romney becau
it was newt gingrich and rick santorum. he needed to turn it on in the republican primaries, and he did. >> steve, what do you think the ultimate impact is going to be? is this the game change moment to use the term that we hate? >> i swear we're living in this mirror image of 2004 where the bush role is played by obama and where kerry is played by romney. i remember september 30th, 2004, watching that debate and watching the reaction after that debate between kerry and bush and the...